Consumables - Guild Wars Forums

TPike · Mar 11, 2008, 11:31 AM // 11:31

I some questions on consumables.

I've played some EotN so I have 2 Armour of Salvation and one Powerstone I got as rewards.

My char is approaching the end of Nightfall (I'm in the realm of Torment).

Should I keep these items in my inventory so I can have them available or just keep them in storage "saving" them in case I "need" them.

I'm not sure if I'm going to HH or PUG the final mission but I'm thinking that's when I'll use them.

Did you use consumables before completing a campaign?

Do people usually just use consumables when playing HM?

One other question.

I have about 85 skill points on a lvl 20 char.

Would I be able to make a profit by converting my points and assets into Powerstones or another consumable and selling them?

Miska Bow · Mar 11, 2008, 11:40 AM // 11:40

If 85 skill point is your total earn up to now, I would advise on keeping your skill points to cap elite skills for yourself and your heroes. The consummable you can always buy from friend from your guild or alliance. As for selling them i have no idea if you can make good money out of them. I usually only sell them to allies and guildies for the same price as the npc + the materials.

The final mission in NF and most of the area you'll be vanquishing in HM dont require the use of consummable at all if you have the right build for that specific area, but they do help.

I would save those for some area that will give real trouble. I only use them when all else fail or for place that even with really good build i run the risk of party wipe.

MagmaRed · Mar 11, 2008, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Only use consummables for things like Vanquishing, Guardian (HM missions), or HM dungeons. Normal Mode will never have a need for them. If you need them in Normal Mode, you really just need a new team/build. Even using Hero/Hench, you can Vanquish about 90% of the game without consummables.

I say it would be a waste to use them on Normal Mode of any kind, and a decent amount of Hard Mode.

TPike · Mar 11, 2008, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Thanks

Right now I have Searing Flames & Ether Prism as my Elites & Contagion.

I bought the Core & Nightfall skill packs so my Heros have all the skills & Elites already.

You're probably right though, I have all the fire skills but not all the earth & water skills.

I've still got to figure out a way to pay for those skills, lulz.

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Only use consummables for things like Vanquishing, Guardian (HM missions), or HM dungeons. Normal Mode will never have a need for them. If you need them in Normal Mode, you really just need a new team/build. Even using Hero/Hench, you can Vanquish about 90% of the game without consummables.

I say it would be a waste to use them on Normal Mode of any kind, and a decent amount of Hard Mode.

I tried to PUG the mission to get to where I am now Twice.

Both times one player tried to lead but 2 wouldn't follow his suggestions.

I tried to HH it and made it on first try (read wiki ofc).

Who do I see when I spawn? The guy who tried to lead before.

We hooked up and did another mission.

Those other two guys are probably still in the Boneyard or wherever.

Miska Bow · Mar 11, 2008, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by TPike

Thanks

Right now I have Searing Flames & Ether Prism as my Elites & Contagion.

I bought the Core & Nightfall skill packs so my Heros have all the skills & Elites already.

You're probably right though, I have all the fire skills but not all the earth & water skills.

I've still got to figure out a way to pay for those skills, lulz.

Fast and real easy way to pay for skills is right outside Boreal Station. Go solo with a heavy degen build and kill the frost wurms. You'll get XP real fast (around 200 for each) and all the drop. A couple of run and you got a skill point and enough gold for a cap sig.

Mr. G · Mar 11, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Right now I have Searing Flames & Ether Prism as my Elites & Contagion

A word of advice, Drop the fire ele's if you hope to go on into EoTN....

I rofled so hard at the people flailing around cause here fire builds no longer worked...aww didums (seriously Earth Nuke ftw)

TheRaven · Mar 11, 2008, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Mr. G

A word of advice, Drop the fire ele's if you hope to go on into EoTN....

I rofled so hard at the people flailing around cause here fire builds no longer worked...aww didums (seriously Earth Nuke ftw)

Hmm, my fire ele had no problems completing EotN, but I was using Savannah Heat primarily which doesn't depend on setting things on fire.

For consumables, I only use Powerstones. I gave all the other ones I collected to guildies who can use them. I find powerstones to be very useful in dungeons and vanquishing. I usually vanquish with h/h so the powerstone is the best way to remove DP from your heroes. Too bad you can't force feed them candy canes.

Malice Black · Mar 11, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Mr. G

A word of advice, Drop the fire ele's if you hope to go on into EoTN....

I rofled so hard at the people flailing around cause here fire builds no longer worked...aww didums (seriously Earth Nuke ftw)

Only against Destroyers. Fire still owns everything else.

2 Fire Ele's + Para - Anthem of Flames/Their On Fire! = PvE owned

Horseman Of War · Mar 11, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

last i checked (havent been on in a few days) a full set of consumables (meaning armor, grail, essence) goes for 8k in doa. thats really the only place people use them consistently (although not necessary)

powerstones arent bad at all... they just happen to be the most expensive to craft if i remember correctly.

Some people seem to get very defensive about using consumables... I see a lot of people on the forums who like to say "i Never use them" because they are too moral, too poor, or like to sound leet.

They are a tool to be used if you feel like it. They can make rep farming runs go much faster. They also give a slight RL morale boost if used in a human party if you catch my meaning. People have been legendary vanquishers and protectors before consumables.

Basically just remember that you are playing the game to have fun... so if you feel like it: pop some consume. If not, then dont. Or just sell them. Its really that easy

PS some of the norn-territory creatures use Frigid Armor. I dont play ele... but I agree earth ele owns all the rest in most situations... not just GwEn but all chapters.

TPike · Mar 12, 2008, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Thanks for all the great replies.

I'm struggling a little, I might pack a little "snack food" before I start playing in the morning.

Horseman, I never thought about a "RL" benefit but I see what you mean, makes sense!

I'm not rich gold wise, but I can afford to use one because I want to. Lol, what a concept.

As far as farming those wurms outside of Boreal station - Is that on HM you mean?

I've run a couple level 10 chars to the frost wurms for farming experience points but the drops are nothing in regular mode.

My own experience so far is that me fire ele does OK in EotN. stuff must melt up there

Snograt · Mar 12, 2008, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Yes, Tpike - in general, fire wrks well against most things. The problem in EotN is that Destroyers don't burn - you can damage them normally with fire spells, but you can't set 'em on fire. That makes Searing Flames pointless against them.

The only place I've needed to use consumables (so far) was in the toughest vanquishing areas, for me that was Joko's Domain and Hidden City of Adashim in Nightfall. Oh, and I might have popped a few in Slavers. Got 700 points left on my main, the only problem is the high-ish price of feathers, dust and granite recently.

If you ever need xp in a hurry, a few HM runs of Kilroy's Punchout thingy will sort you out

Arduin · Mar 12, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17

I advise you to keep at least a Powerstone in your inventory. You don't want to fail a mission/vanquish/dungeon when you very nearly completed it because you got too much DP stacked up.

As soon as you finished NM, and enter HM, you will get skill points aplenty. Or try doing some UW/FoW/DoA runs, each quest nets you 10.000+ exp in NM already. Might get some good drops on the way too.

strcpy · Mar 12, 2008, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

Some people seem to get very defensive about using consumables... I see a lot of people on the forums who like to say "i Never use them" because they are too moral, too poor, or like to sound leet.

Well, I never use them because I'm cheap - I have more than enough plat and SP I just don't like to spend on things I don't need. Others will vary, no need to make fun of others. lets face it they can counter with you use them as a crutch for an inability to play and they would be just as correct as what you say (that is, probably not so but true in some cases). I H/H everything and have used a grand total of two Powerstones and less then 5 of the rest and have done most NM and HM stuff in all the chapters and expansion.

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Originally Posted by TPike

Should I keep these items in my inventory so I can have them available or just keep them in storage "saving" them in case I "need" them.

There is no reason to do so - for one thing if they are in your storage and you actually need one they do you no good. They are cheap enough and easy enough to get that there is no reason to hoard them, nor are they worth much money since everyone can get them. The only reason to have them is to use them. Especially true of the ones granted from quests.

Personally I carry one Powerstone of Courage on most of my characters. I pretty much only use them if I am in a bad way at the end of a long mission/dungeon and don't want to repeat. With some professions I find I hate certain missions and would spend any amount of consumables to get past it once and move on.

When doing EotN dungeons I usually also carry a Grail of Might and an Essence of Celerity. Again for the same reason - I don't want to spend 45-60 minutes and find I need one only to have them in storage and not one on my character. My general cheapness means I almost never use them, but I have and I do not regret doing so at all nor do I feel any sense of superiority for not using them (any more than the above poster should make fun of people who do not use them - it is your personal choice). If asked I would generally say I am only a mediocre player. In fact I would assume a better player, while not needing them, would find them to have a lower opportunity cost and regularly purchase them. As is I would rather spend the plat on something that will go into my HoM (say, an elite armor set or some more sweet tooth points).

Mr. G · Mar 12, 2008, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Only against Destroyers. Fire still owns everything else.

and the charr, they have pretty dandy fire resistance

anywho thats a debate for another time

The problem with saving up consumables is like saving up the "good stuff" in any game...Im gunna refence FF here as its the easiest example

ever completed the game to find that you have 70 Elixirs left?

yeah exactly, always saving them for a "rainy day" and being so scared you might need them later you didnt use them when you needed to....

TPike · Mar 12, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by Snograt

The problem in EotN is that Destroyers don't burn - you can damage them normally with fire spells, but you can't set 'em on fire.

The only place I've needed to use consumables (so far) was in the toughest vanquishing areas, for me that was Joko's Domain and Hidden City of Adashim in Nightfall.

If you ever need xp in a hurry, a few HM runs of Kilroy's Punchout thingy will sort you out

Right now I have Ether Prism (use SF), looking into capping a water & earth elite.

That's EXACTLY where I'm stuck HH in Nightfall. Going to try it now with a Grail of Might HH.

I've been playing less than 2 months, haven't finished a campaign. Hence no Hard Mode for me.

Snograt · Mar 12, 2008, 01:39 PM // 13:39

Ah, yes. I forgot. Sent you a PM

Fried Tech · Mar 12, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

I always keep consumables in my inventory, even though i don't use them often. Always be prepared for the worst.

Mar 11, 2008, 11:31 AM // 11:31	#1
TPike Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pennsyltucky Guild: The Imperial Gaurds Of Ascalon [TIGA] Profession: E/	Consumables I some questions on consumables. I've played some EotN so I have 2 Armour of Salvation and one Powerstone I got as rewards. My char is approaching the end of Nightfall (I'm in the realm of Torment). Should I keep these items in my inventory so I can have them available or just keep them in storage "saving" them in case I "need" them. I'm not sure if I'm going to HH or PUG the final mission but I'm thinking that's when I'll use them. Did you use consumables before completing a campaign? Do people usually just use consumables when playing HM? One other question. I have about 85 skill points on a lvl 20 char. Would I be able to make a profit by converting my points and assets into Powerstones or another consumable and selling them?

Mar 11, 2008, 11:40 AM // 11:40	#2
Miska Bow Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: somewhere, Grinding some l33t titles Guild: Order of the Divine WoodChuck Profession: R/	If 85 skill point is your total earn up to now, I would advise on keeping your skill points to cap elite skills for yourself and your heroes. The consummable you can always buy from friend from your guild or alliance. As for selling them i have no idea if you can make good money out of them. I usually only sell them to allies and guildies for the same price as the npc + the materials. The final mission in NF and most of the area you'll be vanquishing in HM dont require the use of consummable at all if you have the right build for that specific area, but they do help. I would save those for some area that will give real trouble. I only use them when all else fail or for place that even with really good build i run the risk of party wipe. Last edited by Miska Bow; Mar 11, 2008 at 11:48 AM // 11:48..

Mar 12, 2008, 08:06 AM // 08:06	#11
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	Yes, Tpike - in general, fire wrks well against most things. The problem in EotN is that Destroyers don't burn - you can damage them normally with fire spells, but you can't set 'em on fire. That makes Searing Flames pointless against them. The only place I've needed to use consumables (so far) was in the toughest vanquishing areas, for me that was Joko's Domain and Hidden City of Adashim in Nightfall. Oh, and I might have popped a few in Slavers. Got 700 points left on my main, the only problem is the high-ish price of feathers, dust and granite recently. If you ever need xp in a hurry, a few HM runs of Kilroy's Punchout thingy will sort you out __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

Mar 12, 2008, 01:39 PM // 13:39	#16
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	Ah, yes. I forgot. Sent you a PM __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

Mar 11, 2008, 11:44 AM // 11:44	#3
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Only use consummables for things like Vanquishing, Guardian (HM missions), or HM dungeons. Normal Mode will never have a need for them. If you need them in Normal Mode, you really just need a new team/build. Even using Hero/Hench, you can Vanquish about 90% of the game without consummables. I say it would be a waste to use them on Normal Mode of any kind, and a decent amount of Hard Mode.

Mar 11, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38	#9
Horseman Of War Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: The Cult of Doom Profession: P/	last i checked (havent been on in a few days) a full set of consumables (meaning armor, grail, essence) goes for 8k in doa. thats really the only place people use them consistently (although not necessary) powerstones arent bad at all... they just happen to be the most expensive to craft if i remember correctly. Some people seem to get very defensive about using consumables... I see a lot of people on the forums who like to say "i Never use them" because they are too moral, too poor, or like to sound leet. They are a tool to be used if you feel like it. They can make rep farming runs go much faster. They also give a slight RL morale boost if used in a human party if you catch my meaning. People have been legendary vanquishers and protectors before consumables. Basically just remember that you are playing the game to have fun... so if you feel like it: pop some consume. If not, then dont. Or just sell them. Its really that easy PS some of the norn-territory creatures use Frigid Armor. I dont play ele... but I agree earth ele owns all the rest in most situations... not just GwEn but all chapters.

Mar 12, 2008, 04:22 AM // 04:22	#10
TPike Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pennsyltucky Guild: The Imperial Gaurds Of Ascalon [TIGA] Profession: E/	Thanks for all the great replies. I'm struggling a little, I might pack a little "snack food" before I start playing in the morning. Horseman, I never thought about a "RL" benefit but I see what you mean, makes sense! I'm not rich gold wise, but I can afford to use one because I want to. Lol, what a concept. As far as farming those wurms outside of Boreal station - Is that on HM you mean? I've run a couple level 10 chars to the frost wurms for farming experience points but the drops are nothing in regular mode. My own experience so far is that me fire ele does OK in EotN. stuff must melt up there

Mar 12, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17	#12
Arduin Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Limburgse Jagers [LJ] Profession: R/	I advise you to keep at least a Powerstone in your inventory. You don't want to fail a mission/vanquish/dungeon when you very nearly completed it because you got too much DP stacked up. As soon as you finished NM, and enter HM, you will get skill points aplenty. Or try doing some UW/FoW/DoA runs, each quest nets you 10.000+ exp in NM already. Might get some good drops on the way too.

Mar 12, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07	#17
Fried Tech Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: [Yeti] Profession: E/	I always keep consumables in my inventory, even though i don't use them often. Always be prepared for the worst.